Care To Borrow My Shovel, Barack?
March 20, 2008
The point I was making was not that my grandmother harbors any racial animosity, but that she is a typical white person. If she sees somebody on the street that she doesn’t know – there’s a reaction in her that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way and that’s just the nature of race in our society
So, according to Obama, the “typical White person” is racist? I don’t think I’m racist. I may be a little prejudiced at times, but not racist. Just keep digging that hole a little deeper, son. Wait. Son? Is that racist?
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You know, the guy behind me is a typical black guy. I see lots of watermelon rinds and KFC buckets in his trash. And the girl that lives across the street is a typical Asian woman. She had dents all in her car. And I’m your typical Indian. Always drunk off my ass.
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March 21st, 2008 at 11:49 am
Chris said: So, according to Obama, the “typical White person†is racist?
On the contrary, Obama specifically states that his grandmother (as a typical white person) does not harbor any racial animosity. He does, however, acknowledge the subtle and sometimes unconscious reactions we all have experienced at one time or another. I think the admission of your own “[prejudice] at times†is consistent with Obama’s point that prejudice (both white and black) is a reality in this country that exists on many levels.
Chris, what did you think of Obama’s speech in Philadelphia?
March 21st, 2008 at 5:09 pm
The “typical white person’s” response to seeing someone they don’t know is to say something racist? That’s a racist remark in and of itself that Obama made. Had McCain or Clinton made a similar statement about Blacks… well, we saw what happened to Don Imus.
And I didn’t see his speech.
March 22nd, 2008 at 6:33 am
Chris said: The “typical white person’s†response to seeing someone they don’t know is to say something racist?
That’s not what he said. He said “-there’s a reaction in her that’s been bred into our experiences that don’t go away and sometimes come out in the wrong way..†An unintentional reaction (i.e. a thought, a feeling, etc.) is not the same thing as saying something that is racist.
When you take one line or one phrase out of an entire conversation it’s easy to misinterpret it. If you’re really interested in what Barack Obama thinks about race and prejudice I recommend reading the speech he gave in Philadelphia this week.
Here’s the full transcript: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23690567/
March 23rd, 2008 at 9:15 am
If Obama were so against racism and prejudice why then did he attend a church for 20 where it was preached without shame? Why did he get married there? Why did he have his children Baptized there? Why sit there and listen to this hatred? And don’t say he didn’t know. Because if that’s the case then maybe he’s too obtuse to be in office. I can only come up with to excesses. Either A) he needed the church for political gain in the black community and didn’t think it was that bad or B) he agreed.
March 23rd, 2008 at 1:36 pm
There’s a third option. And it’s the one he gives in his speech. The outrageous statements made by Reverend Wright do not represent all that Trinity United Church of Christ represents. Wright’s spiritual guidance and the church’s mission in the community are far more important.
Chris, I think you have a valid point. I was truly horrified when I heard those words by Reverend Wright, but if you read the speech Obama gave it does explain some things. Did you read it?
I have a feeling those who never liked Obama in the first place won’t bother to listen to what he said. Those who have always supported Obama will understand. And those of us in the middle who haven’t quite made up there mind yet will take this seriously but will give him a chance to explain.
March 23rd, 2008 at 3:33 pm
First, Obama did not seem all that concerned with what was going on at Trinity for 20 years till it came to light. Oprah left the church. Maybe Obama did not agree with everything Wright said, but, he sure though enough of him to send his kids to the church, to have them baptized by Wright, to get married by Wright, and, again, to attend for 20 years. He called him a mentor and almost an uncle.
Were this McCain, Democrats would have demanded that he not only drop out of the presidential race, but resign from the Senate, and, guess what? So would conservatives demand that. But, we have a double standard for liberals, who will defend this type of activity by any and all means.
One speech does not exonerate Obama from 20 years of attending a separatist, bigoted church, Silke.
Liking or not liking Obama has nothing to do with it. This is not a schoolyard. This is for the next 4 years of controlling the WH, and it is about policy. But, that is a hilarious statement from someone who despises Bush and will not give him any quarter on his policies due to irrational hatred.
As far as Wright’s spiritual guidance and the churches mission being more important, that is simply a deflection away from Wright’s world view which he passes out to his congregation and the community.
March 23rd, 2008 at 6:00 pm
I read parts of it,
And I confess that if all that I knew of Reverend Wright were the snippets of those sermons that have run in an endless loop on the television and You Tube, or if Trinity United Church of Christ conformed to the caricatures being peddled by some commentators, there is no doubt that I would react in much the same way
But the truth is, that isn’t all that I know of the man. The man I met more than twenty years ago is a man who helped introduce me to my Christian faith, a man who spoke to me about our obligations to love one another; to care for the sick and lift up the poor
And that excuse doesn’t cut it. Now that Rev. Wright’s hatred has come to light for the rest of the country to see, Obama can denounce it all he wants, but actions speak louder than words. I don’t care if it was only one sermon amongst thousands. Anyone with any real judgment would not have stayed at a church for 20 years lead by a man, who claims to be a man of God, who says “The government lied about inventing the HIV virus as a means of genocide against people of color. The government lied.” And says that we had the attacks on September 11 coming for our past mistakes.
A friend of mine wrote this on her blog:
I am all for racial equality and eliminating racism (on both sides), but Obama is possibly the biggest sham known in American history. He attends Trinity United (for 20 years!!), which teaches an extremist afro-centric theology that has nothing to do with the actual Bible. The pastor (more like charlatan), Jeremiah Wright, uses sexual gestures and profanity on the pulpit, which is downright blasphemous
And you nailed it right on the head. I have a feeling those who never liked Obama in the first place won’t bother to listen to what he said. I did not like nor trust Obama before this, and I like and trust him even less now. He’s spent almost half his life with a church that spreads hatred and intolerance, and that shows me he either has no common sense or he’s a hater himself. Despite the elegant speeches he gives.
March 23rd, 2008 at 8:01 pm
Teach said: One speech does not exonerate Obama from 20 years of attending a separatist, bigoted church, Silke.
A few incendiary lines in the sermons of one man do not make the entire church separatist and bigoted. Again, I don’t condone what he said nor do I excuse it.
Teach said: But, that is a hilarious statement from someone who despises Bush and will not give him any quarter on his policies due to irrational hatred.
I do not despise the President. I disagree with some of his policies (as do you).
Teach said:…that is simply a deflection away from Wright’s world view which he passes out to his congregation and the community.
I agree that Wright’s position in the community makes his words that much more reprehensible.
Chris said: I read parts of it
Why not read all of it? If you’re going to condemn him as a racist don’t you think you should at least read his entire response?
March 24th, 2008 at 8:19 pm
I’ve read it all. I’ve listened to it. Sounds like a kid caught with his hand in the cookie jar, one he has been poaching from for a long, long time, and only is apologizing for getting caught, but, really has no shame.
There is quite a bit of nastyness from Wright. It wasn’t just one speech. And, if people in the congregation really disagreed with Wright, they would leave and find another church, rather then sing his praises during those lectures.
March 25th, 2008 at 7:16 pm
The damage is done. If he thought this speech was so important he would have given it before the Wright issue came up, not when he did out of neccesity.